Hillary's momentum hits a brick wall

[pmcalk]

We all read on the previous thread that even her own advisors say that Clinton only has a 10% chance of winning the nomination.  Others have suggested more like a 5% chance, and that her success can only be obtained through a "Tonya Harding" approach.  The tone to her campaign has become even more desparate sounding, as she suggests that pledged delegates are not really bound to vote one way or another.  And now she is attacking Obama's church, something that I never thought I would see a democrat stoop to.

And now for today's polls:  Her lead in Pennsylvania is way down, the lowest since early February.  Obama has shot back ahead by over 20% in North Carolina, a must win state for her.  Today, intrade has her at under 20 to win.

[Conan71]

Wow, this will piss RM off....

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Wow, this will piss RM off....

Not really. Expect another Obama hit piece in the very near future.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

We all read on the previous thread that even her own advisors say that Clinton only has a 10% chance of winning the nomination.  Others have suggested more like a 5% chance, and that her success can only be obtained through a "Tonya Harding" approach.  The tone to her campaign has become even more desparate sounding, as she suggests that pledged delegates are not really bound to vote one way or another.  And now she is attacking Obama's church, something that I never thought I would see a democrat stoop to.

That advisor either misspoke or is clearly sleep deprived.

[bokworker]

It sure seems that Clinton and Obama are having to use some weapons on each other that they would rather use against the Republicans.... The ultimate winner of this primary is going to be pretty bloody.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

And now for today's polls:  Her lead in Pennsylvania is way down, the lowest since early February.  

Not true.

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/?d=PA

This shows that she is ahead by 16 points in Pennsylvania. Obama has fallen under 40%.

Obama will lose Pennsylvania by 3 or 4 hundred thousand votes.

First the losses in Texas and Ohio. Then the stories about his pastor. Wait until the Rezko trial ends in a couple of weeks. Then he loses Pennsylvania by double digits.

Obama has peaked and is heading down. Just wait till they show his connections to Farrakan. It will be a freefall.

[USRufnex]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Tuesday, March 25
Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Rasmussen Clinton 49, Obama 39 (Clinton +10)

North Carolina Democratic Primary PPP (D)
Obama 55, Clinton 34 (Obama +21)

Hmmmmm.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004303769_clinpublicans25.html

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

And now for today's polls:  Her lead in Pennsylvania is way down, the lowest since early February.  

Not true.

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/?d=PA

This shows that she is ahead by 16 points in Pennsylvania. Obama has fallen under 40%.

Obama will lose Pennsylvania by 3 or 4 hundred thousand votes.

First the losses in Texas and Ohio. Then the stories about his pastor. Wait until the Rezko trial ends in a couple of weeks. Then he loses Pennsylvania by double digits.

Obama has peaked and is heading down. Just wait till they show his connections to Farrakan. It will be a freefall.

Honestly Recycle, give it up. How can you continue to push Hillary given what has been revealed re: the Bosnia visit?

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

And now for today's polls:  Her lead in Pennsylvania is way down, the lowest since early February.  

Not true.

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/?d=PA

This shows that she is ahead by 16 points in Pennsylvania. Obama has fallen under 40%.

Obama will lose Pennsylvania by 3 or 4 hundred thousand votes.

First the losses in Texas and Ohio. Then the stories about his pastor. Wait until the Rezko trial ends in a couple of weeks. Then he loses Pennsylvania by double digits.

Obama has peaked and is heading down. Just wait till they show his connections to Farrakan. It will be a freefall.

RM, you cited to the "average" tracking for Pennsylvania, which includes several polls over a longer period of time.  I was referring to the latest poll, which is the only post-speech poll of which I am aware, done by Rasmussen.  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html.
Also, current polls for North Carolina:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/poll-obama-regains-big-l_n_93331.html

Sorry I didn't post the link before--I was having trouble with my computer.

I am sure that Clinton's polls will go down even further, with the recent news about her trip to Bosnia.  It hasn't gotten nearly as much discussion, but Hillary's choice of religion is not without its problems either.  I am sure I will still vote for her if she is the Democratic candidate, but it gives me pause to hear she belongs to The Family.

[RecycleMichael]

Yes. I am aware of the rumors that she is a member of the family.

Reading scripture with Jim Inhofe does trouble me.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

And now for today's polls:  Her lead in Pennsylvania is way down, the lowest since early February.  

Not true.

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/?d=PA

This shows that she is ahead by 16 points in Pennsylvania. Obama has fallen under 40%.

Obama will lose Pennsylvania by 3 or 4 hundred thousand votes.

First the losses in Texas and Ohio. Then the stories about his pastor. Wait until the Rezko trial ends in a couple of weeks. Then he loses Pennsylvania by double digits.

Obama has peaked and is heading down. Just wait till they show his connections to Farrakan. It will be a freefall.

Honestly Recycle, give it up. How can you continue to push Hillary given what has been revealed re: the Bosnia visit?

Be leary of these type posts. He's for McCain't...

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Yes. I am aware of the rumors that she is a member of the family.

Reading scripture with Jim Inhofe does trouble me.

I don't find anything about "The Family" any more sinister than membership in skull & bones or the Masons.

Gee whiz, anyone else here engage in the worship of God?  Gasp!

[RecycleMichael]

Obama can't get past 39% in Pennsylvania and Hillary has polled between 49% and 60% in every poll. This sounds just like Ohio where he outspent her four to one and still got creamed.

Do you think this is good news for Obama?

The guy can't close the deal. His supporters should be worried.

After Pennsylvania, all momentum will be with her.

[guido911]

Hillary's problem with the truth

Admitted Fabrications:

• Chelsea was jogging around the Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. (She was in bed watching it on TV.)
• Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. (She admitted she was wrong. He climbed Mt. Everest five years after her birth.)
• She was under sniper fire in Bosnia. (A girl presented her with flowers at the foot of the ramp.)

Please, feel free to attack or add to this list.
• She learned in The Wall Street Journal how to make a killing in the futures market. (It didn't cover the market back then.)

Whoppers She Won't Confess To

• She didn't know about the FALN pardons.
• She didn't know that her brothers were being paid to get pardons that Clinton granted.
• Taking the White House gifts was a clerical error.
• She didn't know that her staff would fire the travel office staff after she told them to do so.
• She didn't know that the Peter Paul fundraiser in Hollywood in 2000 cost $700,000 more than she reported it had.
• She opposed NAFTA at the time.
• She was instrumental in the Irish peace process.
• She urged Bill to intervene in Rwanda.
• She played a role in the '90s economic recovery.
• The billing records showed up on their own.
• She thought Bill was innocent when the Monica scandal broke.
• She was always a Yankees fan.
• She had nothing to do with the New Square Hasidic pardons (after they voted for her 1,400-12 and she attended a meeting at the White House about the pardons).
• She negotiated for the release of refugees in Macedonia (who were released the day before she got there).

[we vs us]

Okay, can we maybe start fighting over another topic now?  I'm all for constructive intraparty debate, but the ole familiar circular firing squad has reformed and, look, here we all are firing at each other.  

It's really annoying that, in the absence of actual primary voting, all we have to do is focus on indelicate phrasing, misremembered or misrepresented events, and opinion polls.  
We're focusing on minutiae because no new data points have come in recently.

Anyway, I'll admit contributing to the uproar in an earlier thread, but isn't anyone else tired of this crap?

/2 cts.