City Council Election Shake Up

[hoodlum]

from what i have read Gomez isn't a big fan of NCD's

[LongtimeTulsan]

What is sad -- and there's really nothing to change it - are when folks become single issue fanatics and simply cannot grasp the concept that more is at stake. This is District 4's loss - big big loss. How Gomez who didn't bother to answer any tough questions, who disregarded any survey's sent to him, who couldn't file his contribution reports on time, who behaves in an arrogant and condescending fashion can get elected - is beyond me. Then again it is so much easier to listen to the ill-informed rants than to dig for yourself. The rhetoric that traveled from nasty emails into reader forum editorials, to the World's endosement was and is easily traceable.

The nasties think they have a safe, un-infillable neighborhood. Snouts wouldn't look good next door -

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by hoodlum

from what i have read Gomez isn't a big fan of NCD's

This is actually a silver lining.   Teardown CD4/9 will get so bad, there might actually be a REAL revolt, instead of lame lip-service.  Just gotta wait it out long enough.

[RecycleMichael]

OK tulsasignnazi...

I was impressed that I didn't see any of your signs in the right-of-way.

But how did you get 58 people to vote for you? Can you name them?

[izmophonik]

I wonder if Roscoe realized that his Broken Arrow and Jenks voter friends who killed the River Development couldn't save him in the city council election.

[rwarn17588]

I think Roscoe can trace his demise to this:

http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A18628

Irony alert: Urban Tulsa was one of Roscoe's biggest supporters.

The story was poison to him. A growing chorus of critics said Roscoe was becoming an old crank who complained nonstop and didn't look for solutions. The story offered proof.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by izmophonik

I wonder if Roscoe realized that his Broken Arrow and Jenks voter friends who killed the River Development couldn't save him in the city council election.

Had nothing to do with it unless you believe that Patrick was backed by the "oligarchy".

Patrick has been close in the Dem primaries when he's gone against Roscoe in the past.  He finally avoided that by running as an Ind.

I'll miss Roscoe's character on the council, and I consider him a friend, but I think it really is time for him to move on.

[Renaissance]

Everyone knows the "ruling oligarchy" is behind everything that happens in Tulsa.  You know, since it, uh, exists, and all . . . [}:)]

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by inteller

is there a site that lists the campaign contributions?  I need to see who was behind gomez.

For someone who lives out south in suburbia bliss and dashes in and out of downtown before the zombies can attack you, you seem to have a lot of interest in midtown development.  What gives?

he sits on a council now that votes on issues all over town...I want to know what side he is on and who is backing him so I know how he'll vote.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Everyone knows the "ruling oligarchy" is behind everything that happens in Tulsa.  You know, since it, uh, exists, and all . . . [}:)]

Oh yeah, and they meet at that place up in Colorado with Colonel Sanders, the Easter Bunny, and there's lots of black Tahoe's and helicopters, right?  How close am I CF?

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by inteller
Is there a site that lists the campaign contributions?  I need to see who was behind gomez.

He sits on a council now that votes on issues all over town...I want to know what side he is on and who is backing him so I know how he'll vote.

Here is all the Tulsa World has printed on the subject so far...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080326_1_A15_hThef48120

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Everyone knows the "ruling oligarchy" is behind everything that happens in Tulsa.  You know, since it, uh, exists, and all . . . [}:)]

Oh yeah, and they meet at that place up in Colorado with Colonel Sanders, the Easter Bunny, and there's lots of black Tahoe's and helicopters, right?  How close am I CF?

You mean, "the Meadows?"

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by inteller
Is there a site that lists the campaign contributions?  I need to see who was behind gomez.

He sits on a council now that votes on issues all over town...I want to know what side he is on and who is backing him so I know how he'll vote.

Here is all the Tulsa World has printed on the subject so far...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080326_1_A15_hThef48120

yeah I've read that.  Pretty useless.  I'm looking for specific names.

[Kenosha]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

Personally, I think the PreserveMidtown/Conservation District thing is what did Maria in...

There were a lot of signs out there for sure, but there were even more people who were silent about it that were opposed to it.  It definitely cost her the race.

Maybe.  I am sure that the misinformation and hysteria that got flung around didn't help.  At the same time, she did well in neighborhoods like Florence park that might be interested in conservation districts.  She did poorly out east, which is where the river tax did poorly, as well.  There were other controversial issues as well, such as her support of the move to the Tech center and her opposition to police checking immigration status.

The issue of infill isn't going away.  It's happening all over the country, not just here.  Tulsa will have to face this issue, and find some middle ground some day.

What you and artist are saying is exactly right.  I think the "extremists" were viewed, and perhaps rightfully so as being unwilling to compromise.  I am sure that most people see the benefit of "preserving" what makes Midtown a great place to live, but the rhetoric scared them into feeling the need to "preserve" thier property rights.

Two things...Opinions about style and taste aside, I really believe that nobody wants to "destroy" midtown.  So, surely a compromise can be had.  Maybe it isn't what was proposed, but it could be something.

Second, what developers want more than anything is predictability.  Give them rules that are black and white, and they will follow them (notwithstanding a few bad apples).  The scary part about investing in real estate are the uncertainties of the market, etc.  Throw arbitrary decisions on what one can or cannot do to a piece of property on top of that, and that is what inhibits investment, which, like it or not, many Midtown neighborhoods need.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

I think Roscoe can trace his demise to this:

http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A18628

Irony alert: Urban Tulsa was one of Roscoe's biggest supporters.

The story was poison to him. A growing chorus of critics said Roscoe was becoming an old crank who complained nonstop and didn't look for solutions. The story offered proof.

With the low turn out, I do not think there were many UT readers voting in District 3 .

I put most blame on these last two administrations and how district 3 is crumbling even more(along with all parts).
His biggest problem was aligning himself too much with N Tulsa problems. Alot of D3 do not consider themselves north and could care less about a grocery store at P&C. He lost touch with those east of Harvard (IMO) .