We Finance Polygamist Sect

[rwarn17588]

Shadows translation: It's *your* fault that I can't clearly explain my positions.

[}:)]

[cannon_fodder]

Shadows, of all the people on this message board you are the only one that I continuously try to get to post lucid thoughts.  Is that because I know or care who you are and/or what level of education you have obtained - or because you write in a manner that no one understand?  I know many of the posters on here do not have a day of college and I've never mocked their postings.

The reason I brought up my communications studies is because you essentially called me stupid for not understanding you posts - calling me a "passing intellectual" who didn't pick up on your references.  So I retorted that I was well studied in the communication process.  Seems like a fair defense as opposed to holding myself out as an elitist.

quote:we assume now lie on the tables to be used as a table cloth..

Who is the "WE" you keep referring to?  And they hang on a wall like most expensive pieces of paper.  Diplomas don't mean a damn thing but-for the fact that I put forth the effort to get them.

Most of your posts suffer from subject/verb conjugation issues, missing pronouns, and phrases that lack meaning.  I have gone very far out of my way to try to point out why no one responds substantively to your posts.  It is apperent you don't care.

quote:the intellectuals off times deny the unlearned a place to express their opinions.

Again, it is only you who I harass for posting unintelligible dribble.  

quote:It is written in the archives.... So be it now.

Who is trying to be the elitist?  The person who writes in common language and wants everyone to understand, or the one who uses obscure (and usually incorrect) phrases and mocks people for missing his references?  The reason you write in such a poor manner is because you are trying to sound like some kind of grand elitist, but you fail and no one receives any message you are trying to send.

For once, just type a normal post.  As if you wanted people to understand what you were saying.

[shadows]

CF Quoted;  Who is the "WE" you keep referring to?

We the people (pl., one or many)  

(There is no need to stand and salute)

lucid?

[tim huntzinger]

Huh.  I thought by the thread title he meant our public schools.  You know, 14-year-olds mature enough to make decisions about their bodies, forced brainwashing, strict uniform requirements, hostility to opposing points of view, psychologically isolating kids from their folks . . .

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Huh.  I thought by the thread title he meant our public schools.  You know, 14-year-olds mature enough to make decisions about their bodies, forced brainwashing, strict uniform requirements, hostility to opposing points of view, psychologically isolating kids from their folks . . .

Had a bad school experience did you?[] My public school didn't require that I bed down and create babies with my teachers some 40yrs older nor did they kick me out because the ratio of boys/men to girls became too unbalanced. I don't remember being forced to apply for welfare payments as a single parent either. Maybe we went to different public school systems.

[FOTD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVGK2Aa4uEk

rape, racism, child abuse.

Gotta love good 'ol family values.

Religiously programming children does amazing things...

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



Had a bad school experience did you?[] My public school didn't require that I bed down and create babies with my teachers some 40yrs older nor did they kick me out because the ratio of boys/men to girls became too unbalanced. I don't remember being forced to apply for welfare payments as a single parent either. Maybe we went to different public school systems.

When WE grew up and went to school there were certain teachers who would hurt the children ANY WAY they could.  By pouring their derision upon everything they did, exposing every weakness - no matter how carefully hidden by the kids.  But when they got home at night their fat and psychopathic wives would THRASH them within inches of thier lives!

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



Had a bad school experience did you?[] My public school didn't require that I bed down and create babies with my teachers some 40yrs older nor did they kick me out because the ratio of boys/men to girls became too unbalanced. I don't remember being forced to apply for welfare payments as a single parent either. Maybe we went to different public school systems.

When WE grew up and went to school there were certain teachers who would hurt the children ANY WAY they could.  By pouring their derision upon everything they did, exposing every weakness - no matter how carefully hidden by the kids.  But when they got home at night their fat and psychopathic wives would THRASH them within inches of thier lives!

Yes. Sounds like there's an issue there Tim.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD


Religiously programming children does amazing things...

+1

I hate it when you make me agree with you.  But don't forget, while these children were "programmed" or "brainwashed" everyone else's religion is the truth.  Also, Scientology's belief in a super alien is just stupid - but the idea that Mary wasn't a virgin is worthy of death threats (recent book reference).  

On a more serious note, this case is an interesting study in how far freedom of religion extends.  Just a ton of issues about how much we can force religion to conform to societal values.  I applaud the action based on the information I have (forced marriage, pregnant 14 y/o's by the dozen, pressure to remain in the compound, etc.), but I understand their point of view that by taking action we are really just forcing our moral viewpoints on them.

So where is the line on allowing people to believe as they see fit, and telling them society knows better?  Just an interesting concept to ponder (in case you haven't).

[bokworker]

FOTD doesn't know Pink Floyd.....  


I have become comfortably knumb....

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

FOTD doesn't know Pink Floyd.....  


I have become comfortably knumb....

Yes, he does....the devil is from the dark side of the moon.

[shadows]

The beginning of the cult or sect begin when a girl in her thirteen years, heavy with child was taken with her to be espoused to a 37 year old who was from the house of David, (who's son King Solomon, had a thousand wives,) to be counted for tax purposes. It is not clear why this child would have accompanied him.  
She had been raped by an angel by our standards and brought forth in the holy city to bare a child named Jesus.  From this event by hearsay was the establishing the Church of Rome in the fourth century.
This church prevailed until the end of the dark ages where it migrated into England to become the Church of England that dominated even its kings.  In the meanwhile it had already been established in the fourth century AD as the Holy Roman Empire governed by a long line of Popes.

The Puritans, Pilgrims' and Quakers, to escape the King\church "my way or no way" caused the migration to the American that was a disaster at the time.  Hereon was the forming a new constitutional nation for new freedoms

After the constitution was written it secrecy and it was questioned by some of the writer because it included only thing applying to government.  They feared rebellion if they took it back to the states because no freedoms were guaranteed to the citizens..  After some two years lying on the table the first proposed amendments of 12 were added for benefit of the populace, therefore it was guaranteed that no  infringement would  be made on religion or its sane practice.    

LDS, one of three independent churches, was established in America, being organized by their own modern leaders.  
LDS established a home on the great salt plains and after it builds a city, which were taken over by the politicians, who caused a spin-offs into the reorganized  church. They believed they were as a family, producing much of their food and buying cloth to make clothing and etc.  They were a very prospers group and are very independent and self sustaining in an irritatingly way to many people. The have multiwives who live with their families in separate housing and support the education of their children.

Of the over 300 + lawyers, that gathered outside the court house, I would believe many were educated by the sect and was protecting their beliefs. Among them would be the highly intelligent.

Reading through the intertwining of first amendment it is easy to understand what was on the minds of the writers of the constitution.  If we remove the intertwining we would get some five amendments instead of one;  (1) Congress shall make no law respecting an establish of religion or prohibiting the establisment thereof.   (2) Or prohibiting the freedom of speech (3) or of the press. (4) Or the rights to peaceable assemble, (5) and the people to petition the government for a regress of grievances.

The Texas Cult/sect took a barren land and built a city, surrounded with farm lands.  True they may have used Poligmany but it was by marrage.  We offftimes have couples moving together for years or frequenting bars or clubs for one nite stands.  Our shool children are running out of control in a sexual revelution that is growing daily.  Our teen age children are having abortions by the thousands  

Those in the sect are subject to the laws of nature on replenishing the species.  It is written the female of our species has 8,000 exoite sex sensors on the body they are in, while the male has only 7,000.  The female is by instinct and endowed by the laws of nature to take care of their young. The back door approach being used saying the children were abused is a faborication of one person who left the compand and DrPhil on his is program said she needed help.  I disagree with way of putting it on the air at this time.

The mothers by their inherented instinks have a bond between themselves and their off-springs.   The children maintain by birth a close affection to their mothers.  It is inhuman to take them and place them in a foster home as it will have a reflection on their personality their entire life.    Are readers in favor of this act against nature?   Would you want your children in foster homes?   I was on a committee to teach sex education to the school children starting with the "little red hen".  I think we overdid it.  In the present case lets throw the stone in hand down.

[waterboy]

Bull****.

[tim huntzinger]

H20! So dismissive! That was a fairly lucid albeit cryptic analysis.  That is a stunning observation: child-rape by G-d's Holy Spirit!  Holy smokes, look out for lighting, Shadows!

And if the 40-year-old lecher was also raised in the sect, how culpable is he for his actions? Also, are all 14-year-olds really infants in their moral and intellectual development? Do we not prosecute those snowflakes all the time as adults?

I think the sect is sick and the practice of polygamous juvenile marriage is detestable.  But what to do when the good book is at odds with itself? One of the first commandments is to go forth and multiply, but Saint Paul who wrote most of the Testament 2.0 instructs Christians to avoid marriage if at all possible!

[waterboy]

Start with the very first line of his post and put it in context of the times. The average lifespan was probably close to 40yrs. That meant that folks matured quickly and procreated at earlier ages. In redneck speak, "If she bleeds, she breeds." Sorry to be blunt but this sect apparently follows that creed. In context of todays society that is not acceptable any more than disco would have been acceptable in their time. Unless you are using your good book in a literal way to justify socially unacceptable practices as being natural but then cherry picking which natures to obey. Then beseeching society at large to view its laws in a most tortured manner that would allow credibility for things like (religiously sanctified) statutory rape. To do so could open the door to any fringe group to apply that logic using their own religious texts as substantiation of previously heinous activities like pedophilia, human sacrifice, female genitalia mutilation or bestiality to name a few.

To simplify, Bull****.