Nuking Iran part two......

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:I find it very deserving of scrutiny if the very POSSIBILITY exists.

1) You didn't say "plan to attack," you said possibility.  There is certainly a possibility of military intervention along the Mexican border and in fact, some National Guard troops are already there.  A few rounds shot at them from the other side of the border by the "Mexican Army" (usually on drug payroll in N. Mexico) and it could be trouble.

We are effectively engaged in blockading Zimbabwe as we speak.  The possibility of conflict is not that far removed.

2) If the criteria is "plan to attack," add Canada, France, and Germany to the list.  We have war plans to attack everyone in the world in some capacity.
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Not saying any of those contingents is likely, but you were talking about "possibilities" and those I listed are at the top of the list.

You are smarter than this.  You know full well the situation with Iran is different than any of the other examples you list.  You are just arguing over a technicality of how what I typed can be interpreted.

[cannon_fodder]

I was not trying to be obtuse.  I honestly do not think we will take any direct action with Iran in spite of their clear nuclear ambitions.   Iran has Russia as a protectorate and it seems likely we could use Israel as a proxy.

I think we largely agree on the substance, so I'll leave it there.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Anyone have a people sized plastic grocery bag handy there is a turd on the forum that needs disposed of.......

War might seem like a TV program on CNN to you, but to me, I find it very deserving of scrutiny if the very POSSIBILITY exists.

Hey dingus...I dont watch CNN...Not to mention the fact you can't do anything about it.....Looks like this will be a double bagger folks....

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Anyone have a people sized plastic grocery bag handy there is a turd on the forum that needs disposed of.......

War might seem like a TV program on CNN to you, but to me, I find it very deserving of scrutiny if the very POSSIBILITY exists.

Hey dingus...I dont watch CNN...Not to mention the fact you can't do anything about it.....Looks like this will be a double bagger folks....

So, in summary, your response to any discussion on the matter is "feces"?

[mrhaskellok]

CF, I agree with most of your positions except for one...$150 oil does actually have a great deal to do with the war.  The funny/someone unspoken reason that oil is that high is directly because of two things, consumption is up and the value of the dollar is down.  Both share the bed with the War.  

Having spend a year in Iraq as a combat medic I can say with some amount of authority, we made a mistake.  

But like you said, little we can do about it now but "clean up our mess".  This is where folks tend to split...on the definition of "mess".  Which mess?  Our economy or Iraq?  Unfortunately, even having Iraqi friends who still live there, I would chose the former any day.  We are worthless to Iraq and to a hundred other nations if our economy is broke and we lose super power status.

If we do not quite spending hundreds of billions of dollars overseas, and don't stop borrowing 10 billion a month from China, we are going to be in a world of hurt...no pun intended.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Anyone have a people sized plastic grocery bag handy there is a turd on the forum that needs disposed of.......

War might seem like a TV program on CNN to you, but to me, I find it very deserving of scrutiny if the very POSSIBILITY exists.

Hey dingus...I dont watch CNN...Not to mention the fact you can't do anything about it.....Looks like this will be a double bagger folks....

So, in summary, your response to any discussion on the matter is "feces"?

When thats what the poster is full of...Yes....

[FOTD]

CBS News: A top Iraqi official said Sunday there was no "conclusive" evidence that Shiite extremists have been directly supplied with some Iranian arms as alleged by the United States. Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said Iraq does not want trouble with any country, "especially Iran."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/04/iraq/main4069224.shtml

[cannon_fodder]

Since the Iraqi army and intelligence agencies are the better qualified ones to make that discussion, being well trained and highly professional, I think we should trust them.  Also, I doubt their opinion is skewed by the statement immediately following his conclusions.  

The American personnel in the field that have determined the high grade explosives and formed charges were Iranian (as well as the Iranian advisor's they have caught in Iraq, the explosives with Iranian charge signatures, and Iranian military equipment seized) are probably all wrong.  

Conclusive?  No, short of finding a note "Dear Terrorists, here are the weapons you have ordered.  XoXo Iran" it is not conclusive.  But either the Iraqi's have a home grown munition plant pumping out world class charges, or they are getting them from somewhere else.

[FOTD]

Israel, aligned with US for Iran war
Fri, 02 May 2008 20:40:29

 
Israel has tacitly aligned itself with Washington, raising the specter of a war on Iran even if it has to go 'alone with the problem'.

In a Friday interview with the Yediot Aharonot, senior Israeli minister Ehud Barak made his newest accusations against Iran, claiming that Tehran is attempting to develop a nuclear bomb in two years.

"It's possible that it may take another two years, maybe four ...it's all the same if international pressure and other possibilities don't stop the process," claimed the official.

Barak then threatened Iran, suggesting that Israel is fully prepared to launch a military attack on Tehran but refrained to elaborate on the subject.

"Israel is the strongest country in the entire region, even at a range of 1,500 kilometers," Barak continued. Israel is 'prepared to be alone with the problem'.

His comments follow a burst of media speculation that the Tuesday entry of a second US aircraft carrier into the Persian Gulf, in what the Pentagon had termed a 'reminder' of US power, was a tacit declaration of war on Iran.

Israel has been preparing for war for several months now. It recently launched a five-day preparation operation to 'test emergency response' against what it calls 'raining missiles' from countries like Iran and Syria.

This is while the Islamic Republic has never waged war on any other country and comments used by Israeli officials to demonize Tehran have been clearly manipulated to their benefit and according to Iran have been 'taken out of context'.

Political analysts say because 'Washington and allies' have failed to gain full-throated support against Iran over its nuclear program, they are now shifting their focus onto 'creating an illusion of Iranian provocation of violence' in the oil-rich Mideast to 'prepare the public for a war on Iran'.




http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=54039§ionid=351020101

Can't everyone just admit that Israel is more than capable of defending itself from Iran or anyone else? They have a nuclear arsenal of an estimated 150-250 nukes, and missiles and aircraft and submarines capable of delivering them, as well as defenses to stop any possible Iranian attack. When Hillary says she will obliterate Iran if they attack Israel, my response is: "Why, when all that will be left for our missiles is radioactive dust from Israel's nuclear counterstrike?"