31st & Peoria Meshri Park

[ARGUS]

It's donkey. Sorry failed attempt by all involved.
Gaspar.............youvvvve some splaining to doooo!
This coming from a guy who loves Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okies, Brookside and a former Travis Park resident.

[cannon_fodder]

I didn't mean to be unappreciative Artist.  I guess I was saying some simple landscaping and a bench would have been a better use of funds.  Build a gazebo somewhere that it will be used.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I didn't mean to be unappreciative Artist.  I guess I was saying some simple landscaping and a bench would have been a better use of funds.  Build a gazebo somewhere that it will be used.

I see your point. But remember, the gazebo isnt terribly expensive. Is not much more than what you could probably order at your local hardware store. And adds an extra bit to the look of the park. Some flowering vines growing up and around it would be a nice touch. Again, I think the park itself is a wonderful gesture and would love to see more people do this kind of "beautification" thing in more parts of the city. But the name on the sign is WAY too large lol. Newcomers not familiar with the area may think its the sign describing the whole neighborhood or something, not just that little corner lol. Heck its lager than the Philbrook Museum sign just down the street, or Tulsa Historical Society and museum, is more prominent than the one for Woodward Park etc. Was basically a lapse in the usual "social decorum" for such things. You could have put some sort of art on the sign and the name smaller below that and not so loud, or added some more azaleas lol. Right now I flinch when I drive by that corner and see that sign the way it is.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by ARGUS

It's donkey. Sorry failed attempt by all involved.
Gaspar.............youvvvve some splaining to doooo!
This coming from a guy who loves Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okies, Brookside and a former Travis Park resident.

We just do the design and the pretty images.  People build what they want.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by ARGUS

It's donkey. Sorry failed attempt by all involved.
Gaspar.............youvvvve some splaining to doooo!
This coming from a guy who loves Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okies, Brookside and a former Travis Park resident.

We just do the design and the pretty images.  People build what they want.

Well someone down the line should have had the kindness to have suggested to the poor fellow that perhaps the name/sign should be a bit smaller and more proportional to things. Plus, not sure how it got approved like that in the first place? And when your doing the pretty images,,,wouldn't that be the time to mention those faux paux's and discuss them with the client? Or at least do like I do with some clients and creatively "fix" them lol.

[Breadburner]

It is just awful...I meant to start about this a few days ago....Liberace would be proud....

[SXSW]

Pics anyone?  I wondered how this "pocket park" was progressing.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by SXSW

Pics anyone?  I wondered how this "pocket park" was progressing.

Do yourself a favor and dont look its awful....

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by SXSW

Pics anyone?  I wondered how this "pocket park" was progressing.

I will try to go take one and post it on here... Basically it will necessarily be a picture of a huge sign. You might be able to see a little bit of the park there behind it if I get at just the right angle so that its not completely blocked by the sign.  

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

A pleasant looking "park feature" on the corner is not such bad idea. Not practical really, but mostly for appearances sake. However I think its turned into a farce with that huge sign blaring out MESHRI'S name on it. That's a bit tacky for that space. If it were a new university campus "Schusterman Campus" or hosptial wing, womens shelter, etc. I could see one putting their name that large on it lol. But you know the Helmerichs, Zarrows, etc. the "old money crowd" wouldn't do something that brazenly inappropriate on the things they donated. A sign is fine but have some decorum and scale about it. I know, I think I will donate, say a bench, then put a billboard up bragging about how great I was to donate that bench. A bench,,, a tiny little metal thing with your name stamped on it is fine. A pocket park, a small "pocket park sized" sign is appropriate. Not some huge sign with your name in huge, shiny gold lettering on a shiny black bacground lol. The sign shouldn't be bigger than say a university or hospital for instance.

Will, how many other "Memorial" sites have you gone after with this amount of zeal?

Do you think the "old money" ,as you say, would have expended this amount of energy and critique to the method that the fellow is using to pay final homage to his spouse?

Those small or incidental facts can change over time.

Some facts can not be changed.



"It's a touching story. Dr. Sanjay Meshri lost his wife, Dr. Indu Meshri several years ago and has sought to give something as a monument to her. This was a very emotional project for him."



I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss.

[Kenosha]

Yeah.  The sign is out of scale.  Big time.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

A pleasant looking "park feature" on the corner is not such bad idea. Not practical really, but mostly for appearances sake. However I think its turned into a farce with that huge sign blaring out MESHRI'S name on it. That's a bit tacky for that space. If it were a new university campus "Schusterman Campus" or hosptial wing, womens shelter, etc. I could see one putting their name that large on it lol. But you know the Helmerichs, Zarrows, etc. the "old money crowd" wouldn't do something that brazenly inappropriate on the things they donated. A sign is fine but have some decorum and scale about it. I know, I think I will donate, say a bench, then put a billboard up bragging about how great I was to donate that bench. A bench,,, a tiny little metal thing with your name stamped on it is fine. A pocket park, a small "pocket park sized" sign is appropriate. Not some huge sign with your name in huge, shiny gold lettering on a shiny black bacground lol. The sign shouldn't be bigger than say a university or hospital for instance.

Will, how many other "Memorial" sites have you gone after with this amount of zeal?

Do you think the "old money" ,as you say, would have expended this amount of energy and critique to the method that the fellow is using to pay final homage to his spouse?

Those small or incidental facts can change over time.

Some facts can not be changed.



"It's a touching story. Dr. Sanjay Meshri lost his wife, Dr. Indu Meshri several years ago and has sought to give something as a monument to her. This was a very emotional project for him."



I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss.

All right @sswipe. That was uncalled for. First off, I didn't know it was a memorial and I haven't previously seen any indication that it was. And no, If I had known it was, I wouldn't have used such harsh language.  However, if its a memorial, imo, that should be all the more reason for something to be done with more care and thought. Lots of people have loved ones who die, that doesn't give them carte blanche to do something inappropriate in the name of their loved ones. The park is great. The sign is a mess. Memorial or not. It just makes it all that more tragic that someone didn't kindly, for his sake, suggest a better approach.    

What you mean by this... "I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss." I have no idea. Its not just that its too large for the space, its also ugly in that it doesn't fit the area. If the guy had wanted a 50'tall bubble gum pink bunny to sit on that corner to "reflect the comfort he might feel after his loss",,, it wouldn't have been the right thing to do. Would it? Don't be absurd. We can't all just do whatever we want to do, wherever we want to because someone we love died. Of course its a horrible thing for anyone to have to go through. This just makes this whole thing all the more unfortunate.

You know, I believe they have stopped allowing memorials along riverside because they decided that it wasn't appropriate to continue doing so. Everyone that has a loved one die, can't suddenly do whatever they want, wherever they want to. Things should still have to be approved. They should should be appropriate for an area. Well meaning doesn't mean we turn a blind eye. Frankly, I would say, hey great, fill the city with grand, beautiful or creative monuments. But don't allow tragedy to turn into unfortunate eyesores. Thats not how these things should be done.

I, and my family, want to build the Goddess of Oil statue as a kind of monument to my grandmother who passed away last year. But I know it can't, and shouldn't be built for that reason alone. Its a motivation for me to build it. But building something beautiful and wonderful as a gift to Tulsa is also a reason. The average person isnt going to know or give a flip about who my grandmother was. The result still has to be something that adds to the city and its beauty and history. It needs to be in the right area. It needs to be appropriate in scale to wherever it may end up going. No matter what the story or personal feelings, we can't just randomly pick any place or any scale and plop something down without proper care and consideration to how its going to look and affect an area.

[Rico]

Originally posted by The Artist.

"All right @sswipe. That was uncalled for. First off, I didn't know it was a memorial and I haven't previously seen any indication that it was. And no, If I had known it was, I wouldn't have used such harsh language. However, if its a memorial, imo, that should be all the more reason for something to be done with more care and thought. Lots of people have loved ones who die, that doesn't give them carte blanche to do something inappropriate in the name of their loved ones. The park is great. The sign is a mess. Memorial or not. It just makes it all that more tragic that someone didn't kindly, for his sake, suggest a better approach.

What you mean by this... "I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss." I have no idea. Its not just that its too large for the space, its also ugly in that it doesn't fit the area. If the guy had wanted a 50'tall bubble gum pink bunny to sit on that corner to "reflect the comfort he might feel after his loss",,, it wouldn't have been the right thing to do. Would it? Don't be absurd. We can't all just do whatever we want to do, wherever we want to because someone we love died. Of course its a horrible thing for anyone to have to go through. This just makes this whole thing all the more unfortunate.

You know, I believe they have stopped allowing memorials along riverside because they decided that it wasn't appropriate to continue doing so. Everyone that has a loved one die, can't suddenly do whatever they want, wherever they want to. Things should still have to be approved. They should should be appropriate for an area. Well meaning doesn't mean we turn a blind eye. Frankly, I would say, hey great, fill the city with grand, beautiful or creative monuments. But don't allow tragedy to turn into unfortunate eyesores. Thats not how these things should be done.

I, and my family, want to build the Goddess of Oil statue as a kind of monument to my grandmother who passed away last year. But I know it can't, and shouldn't be built for that reason alone. Its a motivation for me to build it. But building something beautiful and wonderful as a gift to Tulsa is also a reason. The average person isnt going to know or give a flip about who my grandmother was. The result still has to be something that adds to the city and its beauty and history. It needs to be in the right area. It needs to be appropriate in scale to wherever it may end up going. No matter what the story or personal feelings, we can't just randomly pick any place or any scale and plop something down without proper care and consideration to how its going to look and affect an area."






did he jus say what I think he said....?



Look, point being, for all you know that thread could have been read by the man himself... More than just H2O are on this board from Mapleridge.

Just thought that since the story was explained at the beginning of the thread you might have known what you were commenting on.

Tell you what... You have some fairly well off clients.. Possibly you could set an appointment with Dr Meshri and council him on a fitting piece of artwork to replace the sign.?

Chances are you could sell him on it and make a contribution to the Tulsa Streetscape at the same time.

Just a thought.

[Double A]

Rico, it was totally called for. Good call.

[TheArtist]

I want to say I am sorry to Mr Meshri and to Rico.

For some reason I completely did not register that it was a memorial. I went back and read the first page of this thread, and missed it. Then later saw the comment. Even reread the statement on the neighborhoods website to see how I could have overlooked it and found a 1 sentence mention of a "memorial wall". Again, something I didn't register or overlooked.

I am sorry I overreacted to what you said Rico. It hurt when I read it.  If I had known it was a memorial, and had said those things, I would indeed have been a horrible person. I felt as though there was no trust that I was a decent person and was being accused of being a really bad one. But you didnt know that I,,, didn't know it was a memorial to his wife. I would hope that people would have not thought that I would intentionally have done something that bad and was hurt that someone would think I would. But, you couldn't have known that I was ranting, oblivious to the fact that it was a memorial. Hope that made some sense.

Its been pointed out to me by others that I tend to speak very passionately about things. Sometimes its good, sometimes it gets me into trouble. When I am right, its great. When I am wrong or make a mistake,,, I can really stick my foot in my mouth.  This was the latter. And I am sorry.