Tulsa "Economic Recovery" Projects

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There will probably never be a "good enough" when it comes to air quality.

[rwarn17588]

An honest question: Will the Sinclair refinery's improvements to put out less emissions be enough to drop the ozone substantially?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Double AA:

Per pollution, we will be on the dirty air list ion the near future.  Not because our pollution is getting worse (it has actually improved marginally), but because standards are being raised.  As I understand it, our inclusion on the new list under the new standards is almost a foregone conclusion (not an pollution expert, I stand to be corrected).

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Like I said:

there is a constantly increasing struggle just to meet attainment standards, much less resolve the problem.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

We could just buy helicopters to hover over the monitors on really bad days.

Just make sure that they are black helicopters.

Our luck all that would do is cycle more of the polluted air through the monitoring equipment so they would pick up more pollutants.

Don't know how much of a contributor it is to our air "quality". But it seems to me that in Tulsa there are a lot more old cars and trucks that just chug smoke out of their tailpipes. Do other states have some sort of monitoring requirements? It almost seems like you should be able to call the police and have these people ticketed or the car taken off the road until its fixed. Having cars that don't pollute so much wouldn't be any more of a hardship here than in any other state. I remember when I was in Florida a while back going down the highways and suddenly realizing something... there were hardly ANY old cars and definitely none chugging out smoke. Here, its almost a challenge being in traffic and avoiding being behind a vehicle that's putting smoke into your car. And have ya ever noticed those are the prissiest people to try and pass lol? They probably wonder why everyone tries to get around and in front of them. Its because you can't see or breathe when your behind them lol.

I have also heard that lawnmowers of all things, are a good sized contributor to air pollution. Are there low emission lawn mowers? Other than electric or old fashioned push mowers. Could there be a law passed in which stores would only sell low emission lawn mowers, if they exist?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

An honest question: Will the Sinclair refinery's improvements to put out less emissions be enough to drop the ozone substantially?

Is Sinclair actually doing that planned billion dollar upgrade or still just talking about it? Sunoco was going to do a major upgrade too, but now it's canceled and they may be trying to sell.

I don't know the answer to your question, but if you take a trip down recent memory lane, Sinclair certainly has criminally polluted Tulsa in the not to distant past. Since they were willing to play shell games with waste water disposal, who knows what kind of shell games they might have been playing with emissions and other types of waste disposal.

[TurismoDreamin]

Interesting how a president who pushed so much for energy allows a state to use his stimulus money for only two cheap cost projects..

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by TurismoDreamin

Interesting how a president who pushed so much for energy allows a state to use his stimulus money for only two cheap cost projects..

"allows"?

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quote:Originally posted by TheArtist
I remember when I was in Florida a while back going down the highways and suddenly realizing something... there were hardly ANY old cars and definitely none chugging out smoke.

I have also heard that lawnmowers of all things, are a good sized contributor to air pollution. Are there low emission lawn mowers?

A contributing factor to few old cars in FL is the salty air.  It's maybe not so bad in central FL but I wouldn't buy anything made of metal that spent much time near the coasts.

Lawnmowers: They are less polluting than they used to be. I believe the industry is taking steps to reduce emissons.  Carburetors have fixed "adjustments" to prevent owners from trying to make them run better. 2 Stroke engines (chain saws, weedeaters, hedge trimmers, etc) use a lot less oil in the fuel/oil mix than a decade or so ago.

I wouldn't expect to see computer controls, fuel injection, gas tank vapor recirculaton, catalytic converters and the sort on small push or self-propelled mowers. It may happen on smaller garden tractors and larger lawn tractors.

[TurismoDreamin]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by TurismoDreamin

Interesting how a president who pushed so much for energy allows a state to use his stimulus money for only two cheap cost projects..

"allows"?

Yes "allows". As long as there is poor oversight for this stimulus money, my use of the word "allows" still stands.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by TurismoDreamin

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by TurismoDreamin

Interesting how a president who pushed so much for energy allows a state to use his stimulus money for only two cheap cost projects..

"allows"?

Yes "allows". As long as there is poor oversight for this stimulus money, my use of the word "allows" still stands.

No, it crawls. Unless you're willing to entirely give up a states right to oversee tax monies returned to them, then you should drop references that imply these are imperial grants. You also said "his" stimulus money. Ever read much Freud?

This holier than thou, reddest of red, energy state through its mayors, republican legislators, republican congressmen and democratic governor asked for these particular projects. Take it up with them instead of the executive branch of the federal government.

[SXSW]

Anyone know a timetable for finally completing the Gilcrease Expy. Loop? 

[sgrizzle]

Anyone know a timetable for finally completing the Gilcrease Expy. Loop?