How to Protect Yourself From Obamacare

[Townsend]

"How accurate are CBO's budget projections?

So where then, if not CBO?

[Townsend]

And then there's these folks...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001091-503544.html

Ann Coulter's listeners?

[Conan71]

The rethugs need to be put over our collective knee and spanked like the little, whiney babies they are. When they ran the sandbox, the other kids played nice with them,

Bullshit.

[nathanm]

And then there's these folks...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001091-503544.html

Ann Coulter's listeners?

I wish that were the worst of it. Several DNC county headquarters have had bricks thrown through their windows and one Congressperson's brother had his natural gas line cut in a case of mistaken "identity."

The danger of extremist rhetoric, I suppose.

[fotd]

Bullshit.

The dims went along with the GOP leadership in going to war and countless other ridiculous cooperative efforts led by the Busheviks. The dims even went along with the appointments of several far right Supreme's nominees.

Let's not go there. Your reply stinks, figuratively speaking.

[buckeye]

Nobody knows what this will cost or exactly what it will do to the face of healthcare.  There are too many variables for even relatively unbiased assessments to give me any confidence.  Moreover, 2700 pages is longer than the bible and that has a whole religion built off it.

I worry that so many people believe that -this- congress and -this- president are smarter and/or more trustworthy than any other - and their word and intentions can be taken as true and honorable.  In general, I find the Federal government to be a bloated hog that does a few things very well and most things with terrible inefficiency and no real accountability.  I'm very reluctant to give them any more control than they already have and don't trust them to have my best interests in mind anyway.  16,000 jobs, maybe yes maybe no?  Piffle!  The notion of the IRS having any substantive involvement gives me the willies.

[Conan71]

Nobody knows what this will cost or exactly what it will do to the face of healthcare.  There are too many variables for even relatively unbiased assessments to give me any confidence.  Moreover, 2700 pages is longer than the bible and that has a whole religion built off it.
I worry that so many people believe that -this- congress and -this- president are smarter and/or more trustworthy than any other - and their word and intentions can be taken as true and honorable.  In general, I find the Federal government to be a bloated hog that does a few things very well and most things with terrible inefficiency and no real accountability.  I'm very reluctant to give them any more control than they already have and don't trust them to have my best interests in mind anyway.  16,000 jobs, maybe yes maybe no?  Piffle!  The notion of the IRS having any substantive involvement gives me the willies.

And there seems to be a whole religion developing based on health care reform too. 

It's not just the 16,000 or so new jobs with the IRS.  Anecdotally, I've heard claims of anywhere from 100 to 500 new departments, bureaucracies, or little fiefdoms being created as a result.

[fotd]

Buckey,

Much of this is shear politics and gives the dims big moe headed to the November elections. When did Americans become so fearful of their own government? The most stable thing in this country nowadays is the Republicans' ability to be wrong on everything.

The best thing that will come out of this bill and the future bombshell legislation about to be dropped on Wall Street is a return to confidence and support by the majority. After 8 years of negligent power, the necessary government actions taken have actually served to restore stability with the exception of the tea partier.

War is tapering down. The Taliban leadership has been systematically droned down. With no issues, the GOP looks pathetic. They've allowed the anti intellectuals and the non conscious to rule their roost.

Scary New GOP Poll
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How come people never complain about the ever expanding waste in the military or the continuing expansion of their fiefdom?

[nathanm]

Nobody knows what this will cost or exactly what it will do to the face of healthcare.  There are too many variables for even relatively unbiased assessments to give me any confidence.  Moreover, 2700 pages is longer than the bible and that has a whole religion built off it.

The Bible fits a lot more words on a single page than the Federal government does. We triple space and have large margins.

I can say with 100% certainty that the bill will: limit insurance company administrative overhead, end recission except in cases of knowing fraud, end exclusions for pre-existing conditions, and help millions of Americans afford insurance.

[Red Arrow]

How come people never complain about the ever expanding waste in the military or the continuing expansion of their fiefdom?

They probably remember the results of cutbacks that led to the embarrassing attempt to rescue the hostages from Iran in 1980(ish). 

[buckeye]

We've been mistrustful, though perhaps not afraid of our government from the very beginning; it's written into the fabric of the nation.

The military is one thing the Feds are specifically charged with and one thing they do pretty well.

The Blame Bush game is getting really old, as is the juvenile and inane name-calling.  Please stop it.  Or more pointedly, shut the hell up.

Typeface point taken, Nathan.    How do you know the bill will accomplish those things?  I don't necessarily doubt you, but I'd like to know.  Surely those don't take up the full volume, the other stuff worries me...

[Red Arrow]

The Bible fits a lot more words on a single page than the Federal government does. We triple space and have large margins.

I can say with 100% certainty that the bill will: limit insurance company administrative overhead, end recission except in cases of knowing fraud, end exclusions for pre-existing conditions, and help millions of Americans afford insurance care.

I saw the new law requires 80% and 85% of the insurance companies' expenditures to be in claim payments depending on size of the company (as I remember).  It would have been just as easy for congress to have penned in 65% or 95%.  Anyone have numbers on what is realistic on the overhead?  What happens if the company doesn't meet those numbers?  I haven't had a chance to read the 2000+ pages yet.

I like the end of exclusion for pre-existing conditions and no more dumping of customers but only time will tell if cost will come down.

[nathanm]

I saw the new law requires 80% and 85% of the insurance companies' expenditures to be in claim payments depending on size of the company (as I remember).  It would have been just as easy for congress to have penned in 65% or 95%.  Anyone have numbers on what is realistic on the overhead?  What happens if the company doesn't meet those numbers?  I haven't had a chance to read the 2000+ pages yet.

I like the end of exclusion for pre-existing conditions and no more dumping of customers but only time will tell if cost will come down.

Many big group plans already are in the low 90s (93% was one specific claim I saw). Many of the smaller plans are closer to 60-75%. Medicare is like 95 or 96% efficient, if I remember correctly.

The standard is slightly low, based on what has been proven possible in private insurance.

[brunoflipper]

Good grief just shut up about your "preexisting condition" already. You got your health care bill that will be paid for by people other than yourself. Just keep riding the gravy train.

Sadly, "preexisting conditions" will continue to be an issue...

"Fact: Access to the "high risk pool" is limited and the pool is underfunded. Only those who have been uninsured for more than six months will qualify for the high-risk pool. Only 0.7% of those without insurance now will get coverage, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services report estimates it will run out of funding by 2011 or 2012."

[brunoflipper]

oh yeah... and this is from huffingtonpost.com?!?! zut alors!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/fact-sheet-the-truth-abou_b_506026.html

"Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill

Jane Hamsher


The Firedoglake health care team has been covering the debate in congress since it began last year. The health care bill will come up for a vote in the House on Sunday, and as Nancy Pelosi works to wrangle votes, we've been running a detailed whip count on where every member of Congress stands, updated throughout the day.

We've also taken a detailed look at the bill, and have come up with 18 often stated myths about this health care reform bill.

Real health care reform is the thing we've fought for from the start. It is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and hurts many people more than it helps them.

While details are limited, there is apparently a "Plan B" alternative that the White House was considering as recently as two weeks ago, which would evidently expand existing programs -- Medicaid and SCHIP. It would cover half the people at a quarter of the price, but it would not force an unbearable financial burden to those who are already struggling to get by.

Congress may be too far down the road with this bill to change course. But before Democrats cast this vote which could turn "ban the mandate" into "gay marriage" for the GOP in 2010, they should consider the first rule of patient safety: first, do no harm.

Myth 1: This is a universal health care bill.

Fact: The bill is neither universal health care nor universal health insurance. According to the Congressional Budget Office:


    * Total uninsured in 2019 with no bill: 54 million

    * Total uninsured in 2019 with Senate bill: 24 million


Myth 2: Insurance companies hate this bill.

Fact: This bill is almost identical to the plan written by AHIP, the insurance company trade association, in 2009.
The original Senate Finance Committee bill was authored by a former Wellpoint vice president. Since Congress released the first of its health care bills on October 30, 2009, health care stocks have risen 28.35%.

Myth 3: The bill will significantly bring down insurance premiums for most Americans.

Fact: The bill will not bring down premiums significantly, and certainly not the $2,500/year that President Obama promised during his campaign.

Annual premiums in 2016: status quo / with bill:
Small group market, single: $7,800 / $7,800
Small group market, family: $19,3oo / $19,200
Large Group market, single: $7,400 / $7,300
Large group market, family: $21,100 / $21,300
Individual market, single: $5,500 / $5,800
Individual market, family: $13,100 / $15,200

(The cost of premiums in the individual market goes up somewhat due to subsidies and mandates of better coverage. The CBO assumes that cost of individual policies goes down 7-10%, and that people will buy more generous policies.)

Myth 4: The bill will make health care affordable for middle class Americans.

Fact: The bill will impose a financial hardship on middle class Americans who will be forced to buy a product that they can't afford to use.

A family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income -- out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible.

Myth 5: This plan is similar to the Massachusetts plan, which makes health care affordable.

Fact: Many Massachusetts residents forgo health care because they can't afford it. A 2009 study by the state of Massachusetts found that:


    * 21% of residents forgo medical treatment because they can't afford it, including 12% of children

    * 18% have health insurance but can't afford to use it


Myth 6: This bill provides health care to 31 million people who are currently uninsured.

Fact: This bill will mandate that millions of people who are currently uninsured purchase insurance from private companies, or the IRS will collect up to 2% of their annual income in penalties. Some will be assisted with government subsidies.

Myth 7: You can keep the insurance you have if you like it.

Fact: The excise tax will result in employers switching to plans with higher co-pays and fewer covered services.
Older, less healthy employees with employer-based health care will be forced to pay much more in out-of-pocket expenses than they do now.

Myth 8: The "excise tax" will encourage employers to reduce the scope of health care benefits, and they will pass the savings on to employees in the form of higher wages.

Fact: There is insufficient evidence that employers pass savings from reduced benefits on to employees.

Myth 9: This bill employs nearly every cost control idea available to bring down costs.

Fact: This bill does not bring down costs and leaves out nearly every key cost control measure, including:


    * Public Option ($25-$110 billion)

    * Medicare buy-in

    * Drug re-importation ($19 billion)

    * Medicare drug price negotiation ($300 billion)

    * Shorter pathway to generic biologics ($71 billion)


Myth 10: The bill will require big companies like Wal-Mart to provide insurance for their employees.

Fact: The bill was written so that most Wal-Mart employees will qualify for subsidies, and taxpayers will pick up a large portion of the cost of their coverage.

Myth 11: The bill "bends the cost curve" on health care.

Fact: "Bends the cost curve" is a misleading and trivial claim, as the U.S. would still spend far more for care than other advanced countries.


    * In 2009, health care costs were 17.3% of GDP.

    * Annual cost of health care in 2019, status quo: $4,670.6 billion (20.8% of GDP)

    * Annual cost of health care in 2019, Senate bill: $4,693.5 billion (20.9% of GDP)


Myth 12: The bill will provide immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition.

Fact: Access to the "high risk pool" is limited and the pool is underfunded. Only those who have been uninsured for more than six months will qualify for the high-risk pool. Only 0.7% of those without insurance now will get coverage, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services report estimates it will run out of funding by 2011 or 2012.

Myth 13: The bill prohibits dropping people in individual plans from coverage when they get sick.

Fact: The bill does not empower a regulatory body to keep people from being dropped when they're sick. There are already many states that have laws on the books prohibiting people from being dropped when they're sick, but without an enforcement mechanism, there is little to hold the insurance companies in check.

Myth 14: The bill ensures consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to challenge new insurance plan decisions.

Fact: The "internal appeals process" is in the hands of the insurance companies themselves, and the "external" one is up to each state.

Ensuring that consumers have access to "internal appeals" simply means the insurance companies have to review their own decisions. And it is the responsibility of each state to provide an "external appeals process," as there is neither funding nor a regulatory mechanism for enforcement at the federal level.

Myth 15: This bill will stop insurance companies from hiking rates 30%-40% per year.

Fact: This bill does not limit insurance company rate hikes. Private insurers continue to be exempt from anti-trust laws, and are free to raise rates without fear of competition in many areas of the country.

Myth 16: When the bill passes, people will begin receiving benefits under this bill immediately

Fact: Most provisions in this bill, such as an end to the ban on pre-existing conditions for adults, do not take effect until 2014.

Six months from the date of passage, children could not be excluded from coverage due to pre-existing conditions, though insurance companies could charge more to cover them. Children would also be allowed to stay on their parents' plans until age 26. There will be an elimination of lifetime coverage limits, a high risk pool for those who have been uninsured for more than 6 months, and community health centers will start receiving money.

Myth 17: The bill creates a pathway for single payer.

Fact: Bernie Sanders' provision in the Senate bill does not start until 2017, and does not cover the Department of Labor, so no, it doesn't create a pathway for single payer.

Obama told Dennis Kucinich that the Ohio Representative's amendment is similar to Bernie Sanders' provision in the Senate bill, and creates a pathway to single payer. Since the waiver does not start until 2017, and does not cover the Department of Labor, it is nearly impossible to see how it gets around the ERISA laws that stand in the way of any practical state single payer system.

Myth 18: The bill will end medical bankruptcy and provide all Americans with peace of mind.

Fact: Most people with medical bankruptcies already have insurance, and out-of-pocket expenses will continue to be a burden on the middle class.


    * In 2009, 1.5 million Americans declared bankruptcy

    * Of those, 62% were medically related

    * Three-quarters of those had health insurance

    * The Obama bill leaves 24 million without insurance

    * The maximum yearly out-of-pocket limit for a family will be $11,900 (PDF) on top of premiums

    * A family with serious medical problems that last for a few years could easily be financially crushed by medical costs


Real health care reform is needed. But this bill falls short of that on many levels.

Documentation:


   1. March 11, Letter from Doug Elmendorf to Harry Reid (PDF)

   2. The AHIP Plan in Context, Igor Volsky; The Max Baucus WellPoint/Liz Fowler Plan, Marcy Wheeler

   3. CBO Score, 11-30-2009

   4. "Affordable" Health Care, Marcy Wheeler

   5. Gruber Doesn't Reveal That 21% of Massachusetts Residents Can't Afford Health Care, Marcy Wheeler; Massachusetts Survey (PDF)

   6. Health Care on the Road to Neo-Feudalism, Marcy Wheeler

   7. CMS: Excise Tax on Insurance Will Make Your Insurane Coverage Worse and Cause Almost No Reduction in NHE, Jon Walker

   8. Employer Health Costs Do Not Drive Wage Trends, Lawrence Mishel

   9. CBO Estimates Show Public Plan With Higher Savings Rate, Congress Daily; Drug Importation Amendment Likely This Week, Politico; Medicare Part D IAF; A Monopoloy on Biologics Will Drain Health Care Resources, Lancet Student

  10. MaxTax Is a Plan to Use Our Taxes to Reward Wal-Mart for Keeping Its Workers in Poverty, Marcy Wheeler

  11. Estimated Financial Effects of the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2009," as Proposed by the Senate Majority Leader on November 18, 2009, CMS (PDF)

  12. ibid

  13. ibid

  14. ibid

  15. Health insurance companies hang onto their antitrust exemption, Protect Consumer Justice.org

  16. What passage of health care reform would mean for the average American, DC Examiner

  17. How to get a State Single Payer Opt-Out as Part of Reconciliation, Jon Walker

  18. Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies, CNN.com; The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Section-by-Section Analysis (PDF)"