How to Protect Yourself From Obamacare

[Conan71]

Interesting piece on the subject:

"No evidence. When legislation creates new kinds of health models, or even expands a local model to a national one, the CBO often has little or no evidence for its projections. With health legislation, as opposed to, say, building new bombers, the CBO must try to determine costs for both the system and how changes would affect human behavior. When Congress proposed a "doughnut hole" in Medicare benefits coverage, something no commercial policy had ever used, the CBO had to guess how the system would react. It overestimated the cost by about 35 percent, according to some estimates. In the current reform debate, there's disagreement between the CBO and the White House's Office of Management and Budget over how many billions can be saved by tweaking Medicare benefits, with the CBO coming in on the low end of the spectrum. Who's right? The safe bet is that no one knows."

http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-gaggle/2009/10/08/why-the-cbo-s-estimates-shouldn-t-count-for-much.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

That information has been on this site for at least a year.  All over the internet and news - including Fox - for the same time.  Neurons fading??  That's supposed to be my old age problem, not yours.

Each CBO snapshot is a picture at a moment in time.  It changes yearly, monthly, and sometimes weekly.  This one has remained steady and I read something that I may try to go find again that said it was expected to be even bigger savings than originally calculated.

Wouldn't that put a twist in the panties of the RWRE??

[Conan71]

That information has been on this site for at least a year.  All over the internet and news - including Fox - for the same time.  Neurons fading??  That's supposed to be my old age problem, not yours.

Each CBO snapshot is a picture at a moment in time.  It changes yearly, monthly, and sometimes weekly.  This one has remained steady and I read something that I may try to go find again that said it was expected to be even bigger savings than originally calculated.

Wouldn't that put a twist in the panties of the RWRE??

I expect the Thunder to win the NBA championship next year, but we won't know for certain until next June, now will we?

[Teatownclown]

I expect the Thunder to win the NBA championship next year, but we won't know for certain until next June, now will we?

You sound like one of the %70 Republicans who can't make their mind up but they sure do not want any of the announced candidates for Prez. Predictions for next June?

[Hoss]

I expect the Thunder to win the NBA championship next year, but we won't know for certain until next June, now will we?

Especially if they're still locked out, as they are right now.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_lockout_players_063011

[Gaspar]

The CLASS program was just cut out of Obamacare.  Basically everyone agreed it was poo-poo math, and so the administration pulled it out of the bill.

Now half of the accounting gimmicks are gone, and what is left is a disjointed trash heap.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LONG_TERM_CARE_PROGRAM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-14-15-24-47

[Conan71]

So was my original characterization of "pile" very far off the mark?

[Gaspar]

So was my original characterization of "pile" very far off the mark?

As my 3yo would say. . .It's a fartcloud!

[guido911]

Obamacare provisions being withdrawn by Obama's administration:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration Friday pulled the plug on a major program in the president's signature health overhaul law - a long-term care insurance plan dogged from the beginning by doubts over its financial solvency.

Targeted by congressional Republicans for repeal, the program became the first casualty in the political and policy wars over the health care law. It had been expected to launch in 2013.

"This is a victory for the American taxpayer and future generations," said Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., spearheading opposition in the Senate. "The administration is finally admitting (the long-term care plan) is unsustainable and cannot be implemented."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LONG_TERM_CARE_PROGRAM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-14-15-24-47

I guess we should have read the bill before passing it.

[Gaspar]

Obamacare provisions being withdrawn by Obama's administration:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LONG_TERM_CARE_PROGRAM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-14-15-24-47

I guess we should have read the bill before passing it.

Never! You have to pass them to find out what's in them!
They are like presents.

I wonder how many millions or billions were wasted before this was trashed?

[Conan71]

According to FMC, Aflac has far better products than CLASS.  Lower premium, better benefit, very similar product to what I'm reading CLASS was.  That's not an ad for her FYI, she's not appointed with the duck people

[guido911]

I wonder how many millions or billions were wasted before this was trashed?

It doesn't matter. Remember, Iraq and Afghanistan cost much much more. There, got the straw man out of the way.

[Conan71]

It doesn't matter. Remember, Iraq and Afghanistan cost much much more. There, got the straw man out of the way.

Peanut gallery is strangely silent.  Of course they didn't go single-payer like Nate and Wevus wanted.  That would have been so much better.

Who else believed the government monopolizing the health insurance industry would translates into better results in healthcare? Yeah, I used to believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny too.

[RecycleMichael]

I don't think this will be the big election issue that republicans want it to be. I believe the nominee will be Mitt Romney and he can't run against his own idea.

I know the republicans will simplify their message into something that doesn't affect most of us anyway. It will be flag-burning or gay marriage or some other topic to enflame the less educated populace to vote straight ticket GOP.

[Red Arrow]

I don't think this will be the big election issue that republicans want it to be. I believe the nominee will be Mitt Romney and he can't run against his own idea.

I know the republicans will simplify their message into something that doesn't affect most of us anyway. It will be flag-burning or gay marriage or some other topic to enflame the less educated populace to vote straight ticket GOP.

Spoken like a true Democratic Party worker.  I would expect nothing less.

Voting a straight Democratic ticket is just as stupid (actually more in my opinion) as voting straight Republican.  Both parties have their hot topics to inflame (alternate spelling, I looked it up) their less educated populace.